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Chess (or who wants to beat my ass)
  • For the last few years I've been wanting to get into chess, but I kinda suck at it. So recently I decided, fuck it, I'm going to invest the time needed to improve my game. I've bought some chess books and I'm going through them, but I would love to try out some of these tactics on people. I also noticed that Chess.com has it so you can play correspondence games with friends and strangers for free (they also have subscription plans, but those are optional). They also have an andriod app, and probably an Ipod/Ipad app. I figure there must be a few people on the forums who are either interested in learning chess or at lest better then I am and would be interested in getting some games going on.

    Also recommendations on beginning chess books would also be appreciate. I'm currently reading Yasser Seirawan's 'Winning Chess Tactics', but I hear great things about Jeremy Silman's books.
  • Hmmmm, my mother taught me chess. Just the basics of how the pieces moved and I learnt from there pretty much by myself. Also a lot of my chess education came from playing DOS game Battle Chess. Where there were awesome animated sequences everytime you took/lost a piece. Basically the first Harry Potter movie's wizards' chess is a ripoff of Battle Chess.

    Also there was a space version Battle Chess 4000.

    I'll be more then happy to play, just list the details.
  • Sweet! Just create an account on Chess.com and add me as a friend (jevans70). Then we can get a correspondence game going on. Warning, I'm super not great, but I'll try to put up a good fight. I'm still trying to get a feel for openings, which largely comes down to something like 'Queens gambit looks nice, but I hear Fisher loved the Ruy Lopez, but I have no idea why one is better then the other.'
  • Sorted.

    Just sent you a challenge as codger10. I think you have to accept before we can play.

    Be warned, I haven't played for a while...
  • Alekhine's Defense? I am intrigued.
  • My, my, my, aren't we being aggressive with the pawns.
  • Ooops, gifted you my knight... Concentrated too much on the check and pawn (I'm so rusty).
  • My aggressive pawn use was me trying out a strategy from a H. Borochow - R. Fine game. I'm normally far more defensive.
  • You've loaded up your left side.
  • Nooooo, I'm losing...
  • !! First, before you go out and buy a bunch of books, I recommend trying to find some at your local libraries. There are an overwhelming number of books on chess, some good, some almost chessic-canon, some awful or outdated. If you find a particular book you like and would like to own it, and then purchase it, or ask other players for recommendations and their reviews on them before you buy blind. Books are not cheap. Also make sure you learn chess notation and how to record games. These days it is all algebraic notation, but you might encounter older books using the descriptive system (“Bishop to Queen’s Rook three”). I have been out of the loop in terms of chess and chess literature for several years now, and thus I am unaware of any good publications since then.

    In assuming that you are still relatively a beginner player of chess, study tactics first and tactical games. (You have gone over the classic Paul Morphy vs. Duke of Brunswick & Count Isouard by now, yes?) There are various books on tactics; J. Silman has a few that should suffice. Positional play is a bit subtle for the beginning player, but you should at least try to have a basic understanding and ability to discern open/closed positions, pawn structure/chains, dark/light squares with bishops weak squares, and the like. Practice counting how many pieces control/attack a square i.e. if pawn takes pawn, then knight takes pawn, then bishop takes knight, and so on.

    For the opening, learn the basic principles and motives behind various openings. Try to stick to classical openings (e.g.1. e4 e5 or 1. d4 d5) for most of your early games, with the idea of controlling the center and developing pieces in time. You can then move on to hypermodern openings (the idea of attacking the center rather than occupying it) or more complex ideas like the Sicilian Defense for black. I recommend N. McDonald’s book, Chess: The Art of Logical Thinking. (Too many times I have seen beginning players plainly memorize openings and once they reach the end of book or when I purposely go out of book, they crumble because they do not understand the particular motives for that particular opening.)

    Try to come up with some sort of plan, while examining your opponent’s threats and your weaknesses such that you reduce your weaknesses while strengthening your position (“If I had my knight there then it attacks the light squares around his kingside, but first I need to get that bishop out of line with my king. To move my knight it will take two moves, how do I develop and go about my plan?”). It is not always about winning a piece, but rather orchestrating your pieces to your objectives in concert.

    One thing that usually helps tremendously, but is a huge time-sink is to take a fully annotated game, play through the first 8 or 10 moves to get past the opening and without looking at the next set of moves, try to figure out how white and black play their next two moves respectively. Write down your variations and any notes. Compare with what was actually played and the commentary. Repeat and repeat.

    For now, make sure you know how to do basic endgame mates (King and Queen, King and Rook, etc.), the concept of “opposition, counting the number of King moves and the like. You can learn the other various endgame “positions” in time and more about minor piece endgames and various pawn + minor piece endgames. Endgames are extremely complicated and most people only have a very limited exposure to it. The argument is that if you cannot survive from the opening to the middlegame, you essentially do not go into the endgame (as your are checkmated or resign in the midgame stage). Even though it is difficult, long work, persevere. You will appreciate how in having a clear sense of the endgame you will have a far greater vision during midgame play (that is you have more options of playing toward a favorable endgame, rather than trying to end it in the midgame or just creating material advantages). I believe Silman also has a book for this. There are also some classical texts by John Nunn and Reuben Fine.

    Silman (I seem to be mentioning him a lot) also has his book, Reassess Your Chess, which I thought was fine, but not exactly a beginners' book. Pandolfini is more friendly with his, Ultimate Guide to Chess, but I disliked its conversational style (it is written as a dialogue of lessons between a chess coach and a pupil). Various game books like the classic, The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played, by Chernev should be looked over. You can also find game books on specific players that you like such as Mikhail Tal.

    Once you feel that you are getting a handle on things and are more of an intermediate, I suggest reading over (slowly) The Inner Game of Chess, by Andrew Soltis. I believe it has been long out of print (try libraries or used copies) and there are some criticisms of the book, but I found it helped make some chessic processes that I had been doing or observing explicit and defined. Feel free to glance over it now or read sections of interest now, but it may be difficult to relate to it such an early stage.

    There are so many other books, but these should be more than enough for a while. Try to play games with slow time controls, 30 minutes, 1 hour, even 2 hours if you have a chunk of time (and some other crazy person to spent that much time playing chess with you--computers don't mind). Good luck! Also an old saying goes something along the lines of:

    The beginner sees many possibilities; the master a few.
  • Holy shit.
  • He has things to say.

    About chess.
  • I've noticed Silman has a shit load of books, but I haven't read any of them yet. I've been using a couple by Yasser Seirawan, and they seem really good so far. Instead of memorizing openings I've been picking one and just use it over and over again to get a feel for how it is played and the different ways to use it. I've been trying out the french Defense lately, and it seems kinda nice. I have found a few chess clubs around columbus, but I've been up to my eyeballs in math homework, so I haven't been able to visit any of them.
  • You don't need intelligence to play chess, just be autistic about pattern recognition. The point was proven when IBM's Deep Blue beat chess grandmaster Kasparov.
  • So...I created an account and added both of you kaazu and codger. I'm not very good but I like playing it (especially with timers).
  • Hope you like 3 day timers... 0.o

    My first game with kaazu is still going :D
  • Wow, I just played like 5 games in a row. If either one of you can handle 2 games at once send me an invite I'm pretty sure mines will finish quick.
  • Just did, are playing the live games?
  • Got your invite also yeah I've been playing the 1 min and 5 min games, in my defense when I first saw 1 min I thought that it meant 1 min to make a move not the entire game takes 1 min.
  • And accepted. Also Codger, if you want to resign and start a new game, I'm ok with that.
  • Nah man, we fight till the death. I could still win it... >.<
  • Damn you, this site is so addictive.
  • Codger said:

    Nah man, we fight till the death. I could still win it... >.<</p>


    I just looked at your game with him and it's over dude. He has mate in 6 moves (at the most).
  • Too the death!
  • Fine, take my Queen!
  • You actually did the best move you could instead of keep running away, it actually messed me up a little.

    Also, your turn.

    Edit: Good game Kaazu
  • Damn you Creaty!
  • Sorry, but you kind of put it out there for free. You had me on the defensive (which I'm not used to) ever since I took your Queen.
  • Yeah I know I made booboo and now I'm over extended.
  • Shit just lost my other bishop >.<
  • Don't worry, the good news is that depending on where you move I won't take the bishop.

    The bad news is I have checkmate in 1-4 moves regardless.

    Good game :).
  • Apparently I do better in these long games since I always lose on time on the 15 min games.
  • I haven't been avoiding playing you guys, I've just been super busy with school. I should be able to start up another game with you guys later this week or next week.
  • @Codger: In the milbat game move your knight into position and you either take his queen or it's chekmate for him if he doesn't (yes, I'm that bored).
  • Yeah I was setting up for that like the past five moves. I was just way too conservative.

    Watch the David-Scott game for lulz.

    @kaazu, I thought, you thought I wasn't challenging enough. :(
  • I saw that one too but I don't get why he did that unless he didn't see the bishop.
  • Really Codger? You have to stop bringing out you queen so early. In all you games I've noticed that you keep doing it.
  • BUT SHE'S SO GOOD.
  • Until she gets eaten.
  • Yeah you trapped my queen good!

    Have been away and couldn't get on the forums... >.<
  • Good game Codge, Sorry to ruin your win streak :(
  • Yes, gg indeed :)

    I'll get better before I'd challenge you again. But rest assured my defeats shall be avenged!
  • You've been getting better at not taking the bait when I set up traps. After the Queen you stopped falling for it. Especially at the end where I kept trying to get you to eat the knight at the end.
  • You're killing me kaazu.
  • Must be all that calculus!
  • He let his game time out and he had it on a 3 day timer.
  • GAUH! I've been so swamped I completely forgot about it. I have two weeks till the quarter ends, So I'll up off new games till then.