[quote="VF5SS"]I think Macross F is FUCKING SWEET!Indeed. Thanks for continuing to be good, Macross F. But did you really have to pull out the the "Whoops! I put my hand on your boob" trope?
Oh, well. We're still cool, Macross.

Veri-what?

Oh noes, Hikaru accidentally groped Minmay. THE TROPES WILL KILL US ALL!

What I like is how Macross F is trying to cram every single Macross into the same show--and I can't help but think that the bishounen main character is a reference to the whole "Robotech" thing, i.e. "Yellow" from Mospeada.

Man I have such mixed feelings about Macross F. As with Aquarion this show has pretty much the best use of 3d mecha one could ever hope for. The action scenes looks sweet and are exciting.

The story though so far seems really uninspired. First of all they are trying way too hard to Homage original Macross. They have Misa, They took Minmay from DYRL, and Minmay from the TV series (with an extra Moe makeover) and replaced Hikaru with an emo prettyboy.

The shot for shot re-enactments of scenes from the original series was cute... but MUCH more clever when they did it in Eureka 7.

I had a really sick feeling in the pit of my stomach with the Love Hina moment of accidental STATUTORY RAPE in the cockpit, but overall my impression of episode 2 was promising. I do wish they'd kept the DYRL cover ending song from the pilot though.

So far A for animation, C for character design and a probationary B- for story

Thing i hate most is the main character's design.

If he cuts his hair and does the spikey thing Rick Hunter did in the original I'd be happy.

yeah that's right, I said Rick Hunter.

I just finished watching it and even though I really wanted to hated because of the moe character. I can't. I can't hate Macross.
I really enjoyed all the homages scenes they put on this show, I was like "yeah, remember that".
Also, what is up with all the spanish pseudo-names such as Habilar and Alto( which means High or stop depending of the sentence).

[quote="chronocross_xp"][quote="Roleplayer"]Thing i hate most is the main character's design.

If he cuts his hair and does the spikey thing Hikaru did in the original I'd be happy.

yeah that's right, I said Hikaru.
Fixed for you

Damn you.

*fist shake*

Giant robot with a sniper rifle? More likely than you think.

I'm totally excited by the VF Sniper. That's even cooler than the GM Sniper.

[quote="karaokeninja"]So it's bad when they echo an earlier Macross scene but good when they echo an earlier Macross SONG? Huh?

In a word yes. a cover of a good song is cool. an homage to a cool shot is cool... unless it is done in the same "world" as the original... in which case it is either just lazy or pandering. It's rather like all the lines from the original star wars films that they unnaturally inserted into Genndy Tartakofski's otherwise awesome Clone wars cartoons. Those things grated my nerves terribly.

On the other hand the Homage to the "pulling minmay into the cockpit scene" that they did in Eureka seven was really cool. (as were the homages to original Gundam's Ranba Rall)

[quote="karaokeninja"]I'm totally excited by the VF Sniper. That's even cooler than the GM Sniper.

It's certainly more sniper-y. I gotta agree with you.

Anyway I don't mean to make it sound like I don't like the show. I think it has a lot of potential. In the end the Moe thing is really the only thing that could hurt it. Pink haired jailbait in Macross 7 was a hell of a lot less distressing as Mylene was at least a solid character.

I really hope the moe character grow ups, you know the same way Min Mei kind of grows up.

Is it bad that Macross F makes me feel nostalgic

[quote="ATM 09 SCOPEDOG"]Not at all. Also it's hardly the first time that Macross has ripped off something from Robotech. The whole brain washing holographic thing that the Marduk had in Macross 2 was lifted straight out of southern cross.

Thought to be fair the design of the whole sub unit thingys reminds me way more of detonator Orgun than Mospeada.

The words coming from your keyboard are like shit going directly into my eyes. Southern Cross existed on its own just fine before Robotech was a gleam in Carl Macek's eye. Please.

oh noez big west recycled one of its own ideas end of world

3rd ep of Macross F was pretty decent IMO. Alto is starting to become an actual character.

Ranka still really bothers me... It's very hard to believe that she is supposed to be the same age as Minmay was at the beginning of Macross. Maybe it's because I see things with a cynical eye, but everything seems so engineered to hit every otaku demographic. I'd like to expect more from Macross.

Overall though It's a pretty good show, though riding on some pretty huge coat tails.

[quote="karaokeninja"]That's funny, because I could have sworn EVERY EPISODE OF SOUTHERN CROSS SAYS BIG WEST ON IT. Maybe I imagined that. Oh wait, no, I didn't. :P

Eep. My bad. Guess it's been to long since I actually watched the show. I wonder if that was prominent in the Japanese credits? By the time I ever got around to getting the ADV DVDs I was skipping the ops and eds.

As for the other stuff. Yeah it might be a dumb theory. It's just one that I developed early on given that NO Japanese anime fan I ever talked to had ever heard of the show. But you are of course right if Big West did both.

[quote="karaokeninja"]Anyway, I hate Ranka, especially now that she's even more useless and moe

That is exactly what I am saying... It is about as subtle as a brick to the head and it REALLY sucks you out of the show. Ozma is pretty cool. I like how he bitch slapped Alto in ep 2.

[quote="karaokeninja"]VF Sniper continues to be super badass and I dig Sheryl.

She's surprising me a little. I didn't have much hopes for her as a character.

I'm disappointed that they haven't really done anything with Misa yet.

I think the reason it is similar is that it is brainwashing alien clones via music, which is a lot more specific, but again, it's two Big West shows, so big deal.

[quote="chronocross_xp"]So:
Ozma= Roy Focker, so that means Ozma will die eventually (OMG SPOILERZ ROY DIES )
Ranka= Min Mei, so that means she will kind of grow up a little. Maybe just maybe when she stop having amnesia we will see her true personality and she will be a crazy awesome pilot (hey she is 1/4 zentraedi so maybe she will channel Milia, I wanna believe)
Alto= Hikaru, so that means his character will develop.
Cheryl= I guess she is like Misa in the way that she really cares for what she does best.

I don't remember Minmay being a
Alto is totally not at all like Hikaru, and EVERY character should develop. Sheryl is not at all like Misa, she's a stone cold bitch. Misa was just married to her job. Sheryl rules. She would chew Misa up and spit her out on the deck.

There's a UN Spacy chick who is just like Misa already, so just point that way. Sheryl is a lot more like old school Miria. Misa was never this bold. Compare how Misa behaved in captivity with Hikaru (fight fight whiiiiine) to how Sheryl acts (

[quote="karaokeninja"]I think the reason it is similar is that it is brainwashing alien clones via music, which is a lot more specific, but again, it's two Big West shows, so big deal.

I was thinking specifically about the holographic trainer thingy that the other emulator was supposed to look at to set her straight. It's been at least 10 years since I watched Macross 2 so I could be imagining the whole thing. (God that show sucks)


[quote="chronocross_xp"][quote="ATM 09 SCOPEDOG"] Ozma is pretty cool. I like how he bitch slapped Alto in ep 2.

So:
Ozma= Roy Focker, so that means Ozma will die eventually (OMG SPOILERZ ROY DIES )


I'd say that is a near certainty. Which will make it totally meaningless when it happens cause we will all know it's coming.

I have to agree with Karaoke about the rest. Sheryl is in no way like Misa except she's older. If you want to draw a comparison to an existing character she is a bit like the older Minmay in DYRL. But I think she is probably the only interesting character in the show.

Ranka is SUPPOSED to be the young Minmay, but really she is just fap material for the lowest breed of otaku and shouldn't be in the show at all.

I have no idea where they are going with Alto. Maybe they will surprise us and suddenly make him badass, but I don't have a whole of of hope.

What are you talking about? Hikaru was a star trick pilot who won a bunch of competitions and shit.

[quote="ATM 09 SCOPEDOG"]I have no idea where they are going with Alto. Maybe they will surprise us and suddenly make him badass, but I don't have a whole of of hope.
I dunno, Alto's all angsty 'cause people keep calling him pretty or something. Maybe he'll turn his bishounen rage into badassery.

Hikaru almost got zapped while piloting a Full Armor Valkyrie. That's a distinction, of a sort.

And while he didn't get "shot down" in the first episode, crashing due to panic isn't exactly the mark of an Ace Pilot.

Hikaru was that way so the audience could relate to him, someone not so awesome but that does not give up and just go forward. Alto is the same way, I mean he was the only one from the group of three guys that was out of the underground fighter squat. It looks like we only have 3 ep. left so I hope they do something interesting pronto.

[quote="karaokeninja"]Notice that Mylene is in the same position in Macross 7!
I was too busy longing for her mother

[quote="karaokeninja"]MILF? Ew, you creep.
But she is so HOT
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/dstorres/Anime%20Images/Macross/milliavf17.jpg