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Book Club #10: Behold My Word Wang
  • Part 1 of our David Foster Wallace adventure.

    http://www.daveandjoel.com/?p=4967
  • Why only one part? I am scribbling notes as I listen so prepare for a lengthy post about how I disagree about X and expand on Y &.,
  • Because we hit the hour mark, and it was gonna take us another hour or so to finish. So, we decided to halve it.
  • Hardboiled Wonderland has a bit of numberwang, too.
  • S'ok I figured that after the first 15 minutes being on just Mr Squishy.


    Spoilered for length

    Spoiler:

    You both were very generous really as I kind of expected a raging hatred (probably still to come when you get to the suffering channel and/or Oblivion and/or Good Old Neon.)

    Forgive my disjointed and lengthy post. Compiled literally as I walk and I've dropped the phone once already.

    I re-emphasize. Mr Squishy not a good starting point for DFW in general and not even in that collection of stories except in that it prepares you for more of the same. Recommend starting with his non-fiction essays, the cruise ship one perhaps. Mr Squishy feels like an unfinished excerpt rather than a short story and the only other thing of interest about this one is that the Mr Squishy delivery van features a cameo in The Pale King which is kind of cool. Also, run on sentences, For The Win? He does kind of execute them well.

    The reason I enjoyed The Soul...Smithy is because it reminded me about my entire primary school time which i spent daydreaming. And even moreso how it fades from a classroom daydream story into this dreamstate suequence recalling his perception of his father's work and this fear of it - which is really what i thought it was about even more than the hilarious puppy story and the blind girl. But I didn't pick up Joel's point that the lost puppy might represent in part the teacher? In fact I kind of forgot about the whole 'hostage' crisis. Which might have been the point.

    (reminder to self: Read some Joyce)

    Also DFW's obsession with the Distracted the Dull is explored to dizzying heights in The Pale King and this feels like a precursor or test run of his exploration in this theme.  

    Can not really add to the comments on Incarnations. He rips your heart out in that. I had to re-read it though because it just blasts out and is almost told in one breath.

    I liked Another Pioneer but felt that the tricks and techniques blurred the story even though they were necessary.  
    It sounds like Joel got a lot more from it than I did though.

    That's it for now. Oh except that oblivion is my least favorite. Found the trick at the end a bit cheap. Some clever parts though with the husband / wife / who is snoring who is keeping the other awake argument. 


    tl;dr?
  • Definitely not tl;dr. I appreciate your input!

    I agree that Mr. Squishy is a bad place to begin. Even within Oblivion, there are so many better starting points. (I daresay it's just a shitty story.) Also, I've heard that Brief Interviews is actually quite good, and that his non-fiction is great.

    Oblivion is where I lost all my patience with the book. I'll recount that bit on the next podcast.

    In sum, this was a really hard book to finish.
  • Yet to read Brief Interviews except for one or two excerpts freely published on the net. His non fiction from what I've read (also from the net - just search on Harpers) is brilliant.

    Oblivion and Suffering Channel to me feel like he needed an editor, but then when he puts out Incarnations, it's like well he obviously could keep things brief, so I don't know.

    TL;DR should be written on his gravestone.
  • This book was just added to audible. Would this be something that would be easier to digest in audio format? cause you guys at least made the book sound somewhat interesting.
  • I feel like I'd have trouble following it in audio format for a number of reasons.
  • I'd say yes if cheap but Jon raises a valid point. I've not had many good experiences with audiobooks anyway.
  • Maybe this is a book I would actually like. I started reading The Pale King today and I am already over 100 pages into it. And I kinda like the run on sentences in this. To me it give the narration this sense of neurotic rambling, which is kinda appropriate at times.
  • If you like neurotic rambling, you will love this book.
  • If you can stand the Pale King, then you stand a chance with Oblivion. In my humble opinion, The Pale King is better.

    As i mentioned above, some of the stories feel linked between the two. Almost like companion pieces.

    Ps. When you're done wirh the Pale King we need to discuss it more because Nobody I Know has read it and it's all bottled up inside and I need some form of Catharsis.
  • Stand? I'm loving it. I even thoroughly enjoyed that foreword that starts like 11 chapters into the book and rambles on forever just to explain that everything is true. And the chapters about that kid who is insanely nice and everyone loathes had me rolling.
  • That bit is hilarious (the nice guy bit). I also loved the 3-4 page chapter of 'So-and-so turns a page, someone else turns a page...'

    I think that you'll like most of Oblivion.
  • I can see how some people wouldn't like him, but ya, his style most certainly meshes with me.
  • Ps. Jon, if you paid for the book and want to get rid of it, I'd happily PayPal you enough to maybe cover postage and a bit extra.

    Not enough to compensate for mental anguish though.
  • So Pale King is quickly becoming one of my favorite books ever.
  • I broke down and bought Oblivion. In Pale King I am almost done with the 100 page chapter that is just someone telling (rambling) how the came to their career in the Service. Very long, but very very good.
  • w3a2 said:

    I also loved the 3-4 page chapter of 'So-and-so turns a page, someone else turns a page...'



    I got to this chapter today. I liked it. I also liked the chapter before it all about DFW's first day at the IRS. I like just about everything about this book.
  • Its only flaw is that it is incomplete.
  • Bumpity bump.

    DFW's newly compiled essays including the one about Federa which is meant to be really good.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13553344-both-flesh-and-not

    (for the benefit of Kaazu)
  • And I just pre-ordered it. I have a copy of 'Oblivion' and 'Brief Interviews with Hideous Men' next to my desk just waiting for me to finish 'The Pale King'. I am a little scared to even start Infinite Jest, but if it is anywhere near as good as Pale King then the 1000+ pages won't be a problem.
  • I will re-attempt IJ when I've got a kindle to read it on because TPK broke my back and IJ is even larger.
  • UPDATE! After a bit of a break and other distractions, I just finished TPK. God fucking mother damn is it an amazing book.
  • It is. Just finished Consider The Lobster, another of his essay collections. Good reading, but I need to reflect another time