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  • This is why you should read the bill BEFORE you pass it.

    "Under the law, most Americans will be required to have health insurance starting in 2014. Low- and middle-income people can get tax credits and other subsidies to help pay their premiums, unless they have access to affordable coverage from an employer. The law specifies that employer-sponsored insurance is not affordable if a worker’s share of the premium is more than 9.5 percent of the worker’s household income. The I.R.S. says this calculation should be based solely on the cost of individual coverage for the employee, what the worker would pay for “self-only coverage”...In 2011, according to an annual survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation, premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance averaged $5,430 a year for single coverage and $15,070 for family coverage. The employee’s share of the premium averaged $920 for individual coverage and more than four times as much, $4,130, for family coverage. Under the I.R.S. proposal, such costs would be deemed affordable for a family making $35,000 a year, even though the family would have to spend 12 percent of its income for full coverage under the employer’s plan."



    That's entirely fair. About reading it, I mean. I recall one or two Supreme Court justices who proudly declared that they could not read it. And I was like "You're a Supreme Court Justice, stop trolling us with a tldr!"

    Anyway, people arguing about the fairest way to calculate affordability is at least a good sign that they're actually working toward the same goal: making healthcare more affordable for the poor and middle class. Had the bill failed, the conservative rhetoric would have made the goal itself toxic for decades. There'd be no discussion about the best way to make healthcare affordable, because nobody would want to risk the shitstorm of communist allegations and 2nd amendment threats that would ensue to fight what was a failed cause.

    I want people to contantly argue about how to make healthcare more affordable and efficient, because that's how things actually improve. Not by trying to silence the conversation altogether with allegations of tyranny or communism. Honestly, I wish there was more of a collaborative spirit long ago when the affordable healthcare talks were actually happening.

  • Legitimate Rape

    August 20, 2012 Urban Word of the Day

    Rape between one man and one woman who are not married or even acquainted; the only rape sanctioned by the Republican Party.

    "Was it legitimate rape, or was it just like, hilarious prison rape or acceptable acquaintance rape?"



  • Okay, you know what? Fuck you. Everyone from Romney on down has said that this is bullshit. Pick something legitimate to bitch about. (Although I can understand if the Two Minutes Hate is just too hard a habit to kick.)
  • This is not some isolated incident, he is not just one bad apple, people have been saying this shit for years.

    Call me crazy, but I feel like the victim blaming and minimization of rape is a pretty legitimate thing to bitch about!
  • So the only RobotBastard-approved solution for when highly visibile people say vile shit is to sit on your hands and deal with it, because otherwise you might look apoplectic?
  • So I can go find a Democrat who said something ridiculous, and claim that it's exactly what every Democrat says all the time (even though every other one of them has specifically stated that they don't agree at all), and you'll agree that it's okay to do that because lol Democrats amirite?
  • Uhm, okay, but how 'bout Paul Ryan? http://www.salon.com/2012/08/20/paul_ryans_rape_reversal/

    "He co-sponsored “personhood” legislation that would give fetuses “all legal and constitutional attributes and privileges.” If enacted it would ban abortion care in almost all cases, including rape or incest."

    "Last year, Ryan joined Akin and other Republicans in co-sponsoring a bill that would have redefined rape so as to narrow access to federal funding for abortions (under the bill, only women who were victims of “forcible rape” would be eligible)."

    This "forcible rape" bullshit is basically exactly as bad as "legitimate rape", homie, and the presumed Republican candidate for vice president just said that in 2011.
  • If the Republicans don't want to be perceived as a party of women-hating gay-bashers, they need to do more than condemn the occasional politician who says something so heinous that they have to cut him or her loose. They need to stop sponsoring legislation that tries to deny women access to reproductive health care (which as far as I can tell there is no secular justification for) and they need to stop supporting laws that treat gay people like second class citizens. They need to get the religion out of their politics. Merely saying that someone is out of line isn't sufficient if your actions don't agree with your words.
  • If the Republicans don't want to be perceived as a party of women-hating gay-bashers, they need to stop being a party of women-hating gay-bashers.



    Fixed that for you.
  • Yesterday, the dude who finished 3rd in the 2008 Republican primaries spewed this heinous/plain-stupid shit.

    http://gawker.com/5936386/?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

    So I don't know how you can hide behind this bulwark of saying it's just some fringe asshole.

  • http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/akin-not-the-first-a-short-history-of-the-false-no-pregnancy-from-rape-theory.php

    Rep. Todd Akin is far from the only conservative to suggest women rarely get pregnant from rape. He’s not even the first lawmaker to make the assertion (which flies in the face of medical evidence).

    A search of news archives by TPM shows a short history of Republican politicians espousing the idea of a biological defense against pregnancy in cases of rape, though there’s little consistency in their explanations of how such a mechanism works.

    In 1988, Stephen Freind, a state representative in Pennsylvania, defended his no-exceptions anti-abortion stance — as Akin was doing Sunday — by claiming that it was virtually impossible for a woman who is raped to become pregnant.

    “The odds are one in millions and millions and millions,” Freind said in a debate in March of that year. “And there is a physical reason for that.”

    Freind said that women possess a “certain secretion” that kills sperm.

    “Rape, obviously, is a traumatic experience. When that traumatic experience is undergone, a woman secretes a certain secretion, which has a tendency to kill sperm.”


    Freind promised to provide scientific documentation of his theory and told a cheering crowd later that month, “If you’re expecting me to back off, the answer is no.”

    Seven years later, a state legislator in North Carolina championed the same theory. Henry Aldridge, a Republican state representative, argued for the elimination of a public fund to help poor women pay for abortions by using a similar argument.

    “The facts show that people who are raped — who are truly raped — the juices don’t flow, the body functions don’t work and they don’t get pregnant,” Aldridge told the House Appropriations Committee. “Medical authorities agree that this is a rarity, if ever.”

    Aldridge was addressing the committee to apologize for “earlier remarks implying that victims of rape or incest are sexually promiscuous,” according to an Associated Press report at the time.

    Aldridge, like Freind, did not back down. “To get pregnant, it takes a little cooperation. And there ain’t much cooperation in a rape,” he said.

    In 1998, Republican Arkansas state Rep. Fay Boozman botched his own Senate bid against Sen. Blanche Lincoln when he said at a rally that pregnancy resulting from rape was rare. He denied having used the phrase “God’s little shield,” according to the Washington Post.

    The next year, Mike Huckabee, then governor of Arkansas, appointed his good friend Boozman to lead the state’s Health Department. Upon becoming health director, Boozman apologized for the comments, saying they were “not statistically based.”

    Huckabee, who opposes abortion even in cases of rape, endorsed Akin in the Missouri primary.

    Akin, who earlier this month won the Republican Senate nomination in Missouri, said he “misspoke” in a follow-up statement, but he did not disavow the substance of his comments except to acknowledge that rape can in fact result in pregnancy.

    One abortion-rights activist said publicizing the false theory can cause even further trauma to rape victims.

    “The first time I heard it or saw anything about it it was in a chat room,” Terry O’Neill, president of the National Organization for Women, told TPM. O’Neill recalled that a woman in the chat room said she “struggled to deal with the shame of her sexual assault because she had heard that she was not supposed to get pregnant and that her body sort of had betrayed her.”

    “It was a number of years ago,” O’Neill said, “But I just remember thinking, ‘Oh my God that poor woman, where did she hear this?’”



    There's a lot of horrible stuff that gets said in the echochamber and repeated as fact. True change within the Republican party is going to have to affect policy as well as empty words. What about the legislation that would effectively end all abortions in Mississippi? What about the forced ultrasound bills? What about all the politicians, Ryan included, who have such little sympathy for rape victims that they would criminalize them for seeking an abortion, even if the birth would create serious health concerns for them? Words aren't enough. As the ultrasound bill proved, their backwards beliefs are carried out full throttle in their policy demands.
  • Feh. Whatever, you win, Republicans are rapist bastards.
  • Unpleasant facts threatening my sense of political tribalism! Deploy emergency strawman!
  • Feh. Whatever, you win, Republicans are rapist bastards.



    They certainly don't need to be so anti-rape-victim. They could still change in time for the next election. But they made some very bad decisions over the years regarding who they wanted to campaign to, what groups they wanted to legitimize within their party, and what issues they wanted to actively pursue as laws and policy.

    The sooner they start to highlight the moderate side of their party and actually make good on their promise to stop focusing on unpopular social issues, the better the party and the nation will be for it. But that's not going to happen if their standard response is "Maybe the phrasing was poor. There, we apologized, now shut up about it."

    The worst bit of damage they've done to themselves is that the moderates within the party still believe that the crazies are on the fringe. But ever since they annexed the tea party, the moderates are the ones on the fringe. Both Romney and Ryan have supported personhood amendments, in fact, that deny raped women the option of having an abortion. Those are your most mainstream politicians. Once the moderates wake-up and realize that they actually have to fight for the soul of their party instead of just spinning false equivalencies and pretending their control over the party is absolute, that's when we might see some improvement.

  • Well I'm glad you finally acknowledged the truth. It took you long enough.

    In the meantime: http://m.motherjones.com/media/2012/08/problem-men-explaining-things-rebecca-solnit
  • In the theme of Republicans doubling down on rape...
    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/steve-king-statutory-rape.php

    [Representative Steve] King told an Iowa reporter he’s never heard of a child getting pregnant from statutory rape or incest.

    “Well I just haven’t heard of that being a circumstance that’s been brought to me in any personal way,” King told KMEG-TV Monday, “and I’d be open to discussion about that subject matter.”
    ...
    “What he was saying was, he personally does not know a girl who was raped,” Brittany Lesser, a spokesperson for King said. “He never says, ‘I’ve never heard of that.’ There’s a fine line between ‘I’ve never heard of that’ and ‘I don’t know personally anybody who’s been raped. There’s a difference. There is a difference.”
  • xenomouse said:

    In the theme of Republicans doubling down on rape...
    http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/steve-king-statutory-rape.php

    [Representative Steve] King told an Iowa reporter he’s never heard of a child getting pregnant from statutory rape or incest.

    “Well I just haven’t heard ------->of<----- that being a circumstance that’s been brought to me in any personal way,” King told KMEG-TV Monday, “and I’d be open to discussion about that subject matter.”<br />
    “What he was saying was, he personally does not know a girl who was raped,” Brittany Lesser, a spokesperson for King said. “He never says, ‘I’ve never heard of that.’ There’s a fine line between ‘I’ve never heard of that’ and ‘I don’t know personally anybody who’s been raped. There’s a difference. There is a difference.”


    Yeah, sorry, nice try Lesser.

  • Aw man, can't they leave Hocking Hippies alone? They don't hurt anybody.
  • And the award for most horrible persons of the day goes to.......http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/21/daycare-workers-accused-running-toddler-fight-club/
  • God said:

    And the award for most AWESOME persons of the day goes to.......http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/21/daycare-workers-accused-running-toddler-fight-club/



    Fixed!
  • Hey RB: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-doctor-behind-todd-akins-rape-theory-was-a-romney-surrogate-in-2007-20120821,0,2621502,print.story

    That so-called doctor Akin namechecked in his "lawl rape don't make babies" belief system sure appears to be one of Romney's buddies...
  • From the comments that Kaazu told us not to look at:

    "I bet there will be more gay people in heaven than commentors."

    Victory.
  • I thought it was pretty obvious from the get-go that that's what he meant. It's creepy as fuck on its own, because the logic boils down to "if a women becomes pregnant, then I suspect she probably wasn't really raped and is just lying about it." No need to go pretending that by "legitimate" he meant "acceptable" or anything like that, his argument is unsettling enough as-is.
  • Look, he's a piece of shit either way.
  • Someone tell that writer that satire is supposed to be funny.
  • Paul Ryan's greatest hits: http://t.co/K042Xje3
  • ^^Stop being jealous, Paul.
  • @DG: It's saying that section is offline now, what'd I miss?
  • Well part of it was what woman wouldn't want to bone Romney. I didn't want to give them clicks for the other 2 pages.
  • It seemed less like satire and more like a straight up slam on anyone who doesn't like Romney. Though, I could be misreading.
  • It seems like an attempt to project a personality onto him. Like facebook people do with cats.
  • Your choice of sweetened or unsweetened will now be made during the milking process.

    Also, kudos to him for proving that it's totally cool to live on candy.
  • Would be cooler if he was feeding the cows hamburgers.

    I used to get a real kick out of feeding pigeons and ducks pieces of chicken when I was a kid.
  • Yep, because imposed cannibalism is a thing to get a kick out of doing.
  • I did enjoy Sweeney Todd...
  • When hasn't cannibalism been funny?
  • When you're the one being eaten.
  • It's funny if your humerus is being eaten.
  • I didn't enjoy my first foray into cannibalism, probably because I ate a clown?
  • In what is quickly becoming a trend of elected Republicans who are literally crazy:

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/texas-judge-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

  • If I didn't know better, I would say that was an article from The Onion.
  • Political discourse has often been screwy, but this year is certainly producing a bumper crop of fucktarded.
  • My favorite part is where he said that seasoned, experienced soldiers were needed for the new civil war. I'll lay even odds he'll settle for ginned up rednecks. If his standards are high, though, he might insist that both straps of the overalls be worn at all times. Those single strap hillbillies give everyone a bad name.