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Fucking Magnets! How do they work!?
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I think its a joke and people just don't "get it".
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What's the joke? Tricking the public into thinking ICP is stupid?
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Provide a Youtube link, jerk, so people know what you're talking about.
Apparently, it's not a joke. -
My favorite line of the song.
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I mean its a joke in only the loosest sense of the word in that they thought it was funny to themselves at the time.
like many of my jokes -
I've listened to it a couple times now. I know that they may be trying to sound profound and end up coming off as naive or ignorant (willfully or otherwise); however, there is something I find refreshing if I think of the song as being written from the perspective of a child.
A profane, foul-mouthed child. -
[quote="xenomouse"]however, there is something I find refreshing if I think of the song as being written from the perspective of a child.
A profane, foul-mouthed child.
So, South Park. -
[quote="Sony_CEO"]Yup, except unintentionally hilarious
Hey, I remember when I thought magnets were magic, and the idea of what I could use them for fueled my imagination. -
Early in our relationship, my fiancee and I were watching "Big Bang Theory" and they said something about magnetic monopoles. She said "what are those?" and I explained that they're magnets with only one "pole", so the magnet field is either all-in or all-out; it's not like a regular magnet that has loops of magnetic field around it between the poles.
She looked at me and said "Well...what if you just cut a bar magnet in half, wouldn't you end up with two monopoles?" I got ready to explain it, and I must have made an amazing face, because she immediately started laughing and said "no no, it's okay, I know it doesn't work like that, you don't have to explain it to me!" -
[quote="Sony_CEO"]I don't wanna talk to a scientist
Y'all motherfuckas lying and gettin' me pissed
Thats my favorite part.
Yeah fuck you scientists! Big bunch of stupid smelly liars who want to rationally explain that rainbows and magnets aren't 'magic', why don't you just shut up so I can go back to being a colossally ignorant retard...with stupid face paint.
Also, UFOs? -
I wonder if the tower of Babel imagery was intentional or not. The tower's base being in a pit of Juggalos and the ICP rapping on top of it, and the observatory later becoming a UFO shooting off to heaven kinda confused things. Wouldn't the proper thing would have been the tower of science being toppled by ICP's miracle poppin' Gawd?
Of course I'm assuming they even knew what the tower of Babel was to begin with.
tl;dr SNL already put this thing to bed anyways: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi08uLTOGxs -
[quote="grumps"][quote="Sony_CEO"]I don't wanna talk to a scientist
Y'all motherfuckas lying and gettin' me pissed
Thats my favorite part.
Yeah fuck you scientists! Big bunch of stupid smelly liars who want to rationally explain that rainbows and magnets aren't 'magic', why don't you just shut up so I can go back to being a colossally ignorant retard...with stupid face paint.
Hey, don't you be tellin' me any lies about how crystals and pyramids don't have magical powers! -
[quote="grumps"][quote="Sony_CEO"]I don't wanna talk to a scientist
Y'all motherfuckas lying and gettin' me pissed
Thats my favorite part.
Yeah fuck you scientists! Big bunch of stupid smelly liars who want to rationally explain that rainbows and magnets aren't 'magic', why don't you just shut up so I can go back to being a colossally ignorant retard...with stupid face paint.
Also, UFOs?
You should check out The Business of Being Born.
http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/01/09/movies/09born.html
I'm not saying that scientists are stupid smelly liars, but I am saying that they don't always know what they're talking about. -
Btw, I'm not an ICP fan, nor am I espousing their worldview. I'm just making the thread a little less one-sided.
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I just want to say that scientists are people too and as such vulnerable to the same flaws as "normal people".
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[quote="xenomouse"]Btw, I'm not an ICP fan, nor am I espousing their worldview. I'm just making the thread a little less one-sided.
So basically you hate fun -
[quote="Digitalguardian"][quote="xenomouse"]Btw, I'm not an ICP fan, nor am I espousing their worldview. I'm just making the thread a little less one-sided.
So basically you hate fun
and kittens too.
and also babies. -
Don't forget the jews. Also Dave.
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[quote="Digitalguardian"]Don't forget the jews. Also Dave.
Especially Dave. I hear that he's part Eskimo too, which doesn't help any. -
Just from reading that article, that movie sounds like ridiculous hippie bullshit. Doctors don't want to like HELP YOU, MAN. They just want to like MAKE MONEY. Yes, the medical system is not perfect. Yes, home births work, kind of, until some shit goes wrong. Ooops, the baby's coming out backwards, or being strangled by the umbilical cord, or a thousand other scenarios that home births are ill equipped (or not at all equipped) to death with.
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I see what you did there.
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[quote="Dave"]Just from reading that article, that movie sounds like ridiculous hippie bullshit. Doctors don't want to like HELP YOU, MAN. They just want to like MAKE MONEY. Yes, the medical system is not perfect. Yes, home births work, kind of, until some shit goes wrong. Ooops, the baby's coming out backwards, or being strangled by the umbilical cord, or a thousand other scenarios that home births are ill equipped (or not at all equipped) to death with.
The point of the movie was that most births don't require the crazy interventions that doctors bring to the table. For most people, a midwife is fine (also cheaper and - sadly - safer). Part of preparing for a home birth is also making sure that you have quick access to a doctor if you need one. In one of the deliveries in the movie, the baby was coming out backwards, but - since everyone was prepared - they just packed up and went to deliver in the hospital.
My son was delivered with just a nurse and midwife attending. After delivery, my son was fine, but my wife needed some medical attention, so she just got carted across the street to the hospital next door. After being treated (she needed quite a few stitches), she was poked and prodded pretty much every half hour for the next 4 days - coincidentally the exact amount of time the insurance company allows for post birth hospital stays. Magically, at that 4 day mark, she no longer needed to be poked and prodded anymore and was able to go home (where she was actually able to sleep).
YMMV. -
[quote="xenomouse"]I'm not saying that scientists are stupid smelly liars, but I am saying that they don't always know what they're talking about.
It's hard for me to say this without sounding like a jerk, nor am I trying to be one, but you're following the intensely childish and stupid line of logic ICP uses in their song. Talking about "scientists" like it's some unified group of specific people is really absurd. For example, to point out the problem with your statement, I don't think all store clerks are stupid smelly liars, but I content they don't always know what they're talking about. Well, no kidding. It's a large group of people that you can't clump together like that.
Scientists are people with advanced science degrees who follow the scientific method, in practice, research, etc. They do not always agree, and I don't think you should talk about them like they do.
As for the home birth situation, hospital birth should be the better option, but our convoluted medical system basically fucked it up. Home birth, in concept, is absolutely inferior to hospital birth. And it should be. I think Dave is correct in his assessment of "hippie bullshit".
The article also falls prey to the common error of thought that ignores the true sources of problems. Hospital births shove in too many procedures to make money—our terrible money-driven medical system is at fault here. Plenty of procedures and medications in the past given at hospitals have caused harm—our blatantly under-regulated pharmaceutical system is at fault here. We shouldn't be wasting our times demonizing hospital births, but rather what has made hospital births a bad thing. It's short-sighted and short-term thinking.
If anyone suggests the stupid fucking dolphin sea-birth nonsense, I will find you and smash your skull in.
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[quote="Milkshake"][quote="xenomouse"]I'm not saying that scientists are stupid smelly liars, but I am saying that they don't always know what they're talking about.Scientists are people with advanced science degrees who follow the scientific method, in practice, research, etc. They do not always agree, and I don't think you should talk about them like they do.You are correct.
[quote="Milkshake"]As for the home birth situation, hospital birth should be the better option, but our convoluted medical system basically fucked it up. Home birth, in concept, is absolutely inferior to hospital birth. And it should be. I think Dave is correct in his assessment of "hippie bullshit".Home births are about having the birth experience be as comfortable, safe, and natural as possible. In any proper home birth, there is an attending nurse-midwife as well as a back up plan involving a hospital and/or doctor. In almost all other first world countries, the hospital does its best to provide that comfortable, safe, and natural environment, including the use of midwives. In these same countries, the rates of infant mortality and other birth related complications tend to shame those of the United States.
When hospitals start getting their act together, this hippie bullshit will most likely wane. -
Yeah, I don't see how home births could possibly be inherently safer, which is what seems to be hinted at if you draw a connection between the infant mortality rate + high instance of hospital birth in the US. Is it more comfortable for some people to be able to be in their own house while they're giving birth, sure, some people also just hate being in hospitals so I'm sure it seems like a way better option, but more 'natural'...what does that even mean? I don't know, I'm all for people choosing what is right for them, but I'm also pretty wary of claims that certain things are better because they are more 'natural'.
Science and medicine absolutely have gotten things wrong in the past and will get things wrong in the future but what is the alternative? At least there is a system grounded in empirical evidence that people can evaluate.
Also my cousin just had a kid and I'm pretty sure even though she wanted it, home birth wasn't an option because of the expense, but I think that was because of insurance issues. It was probably a damn good thing she didn't have one anyway, because the baby tried to come out ass-first.
Anyway, I just think creating a dichotomy between home birth and hospital birth and aligning it with some perceived difference between 'natural' and 'artificial' is really suspicious. I haven't seen the movie either but I'll admit that my hippie bullshit detectors are also going off. Then again, I have a family full of insane self-righteous hippies, so my hippie bullshit detectors are a little sensitive.
PS...I was a home birth and my parents kept the sheets I was born on and buried my placenta in the yard. Hippies are gross. -
[quote="grumps"]Yeah, I don't see how home births could possibly be inherently safer, which is what seems to be hinted at if you draw a connection between the infant mortality rate + high instance of hospital birth in the US.
Actually, the mortality rate isn't too different between home births and hospital births. The problem with a lot of Hospital births (specifically in the US) is that they often include a lot of unnecessary interventions (namely drugs - not just painkillers - and C-sections). Statistically, it has been shown that the rate of these interventions increases disproportionately during times that would be most convenient for the attending doctor (e.g. - shortly before a shift change).
I feel like I need to clarify: I am not against modern scientific advances. What I am against is being an uninformed patient. Sometimes the old-worldy, backwater, hippie bullshit works better than the shiny, modern bullshit. -
No placenta sandwich?
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Wouldn't the rates of infant mortality be weighted more to home births since only pregnancies that show no signs of complications are the ones that have them? The pregnancies with any signs of complications, even if the family wanted to home birth, would ultimately be held in a hospital?
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PS...I was a home birth and my parents kept the sheets I was born on and buried my placenta in the yard. Hippies are gross.
Depends on the hippy. I was born in a hospital, brought home as soon as I could, then my father held me up to the sky (yes, Lion King style) and proceeded to plant 3 apple trees. While my mother was hexing my room and crib. -
[quote="Digitalguardian"]No placenta sandwich?
Don't joke about that.
While that page is technically safe for work, it will undoubtedly make you throw up at least a little bit. -
Also, don't infant mortality statistics take into account all child deaths up to a certain age? This could easily be a case of correlation-but-not-causation. If someone is dumb and doesn't get their child vaccinated, and the child dies of measles, it doesn't matter if they were born in a hospital or at home. Likewise, if a one year old chokes on a toy, it doesn't matter if they were born at a hospital or at home.
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The article just sounds like it's saying that infant moralities would go down if everyone had home births instead. That the drugs that caused birth defects and miscarriages were far worse then the problems that mothers had when giving birth 300 years ago. But science progresses and those drugs aren't used anymore while at the same time science has advances like vaccines that allows most children to live past the age of three unlike 300 years ago. Even "natural" births can't be considered entirely natural because the midwife needs some medically training, sterile equipment, and a hospital as a readily available option if something goes wrong. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with home births but rather that home births still take advantage of medical advances.
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I'll just be happy when doctors and nurses all wash their hands as frequently as they're supposed to. I went into the hospital for an unrelated infection and ended up picking up MRSA, which took nine months and surgery to clear up, nearly killing me in the meantime. I'm not casting 100% of the blame on the medical professionals, but it's definitely a problem. (See: http://kdka.com/health/Hand.washing.tra ... 80375.html -- in one study with this, hospital-related infections went down dramatically. Nothing conclusive, but definitely interesting.)
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Feyman is not amuse
He makes me remember of the Doctor. -
Feynman is my hero. Go read "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman" sometime, it's the best autobiography ever.
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[quote="NthDegree256"]Feynman is my hero. Go read "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman" sometime, it's the best autobiography ever.
I was just typing this very message. Seconded. -
I had a legitimate run in with ICP fans last night. A friend was having a birthday party and was wearing an ICP shirt which led me to make moderate fun of ICP. She had not seen the video. We got back to her place, showed it to her, and she did not have the appropriate reaction of saying "ICP is a bunch of fucking retards" and instead decided that it would be a good time to put on some ICP that was not "weak shit".
I preceded to start shooting vodka (Smirnoff Blue, 100 proof or 50% alcohol for our non drinkers) until I didn't care about what was going on. It was a sad day. -
I actually enjoy some of ICP's earlier work, the stuff that is humorous and dark. I can't take a song with an overtly positive and theistic message seriously, though. It's not funny when they're not joking.
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I told you they spent almost a decade releasing "the jokers cards" that would signal the apocalypse. Then they released an album all about faith. Saying that the entire time they have been about God and that they were sending a message about how to live.
Craaaaazy.
Also helps when your fanbase is largely paint drinkers who are angry for absolutely no reason. -
Why are you keeping a placenta in your freezer?
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Where else are you gonna keep it? In the garage?
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