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Real Drive (RD Sennou Choshitsu)
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Production IG is the studio putting it out. Creator is Masamune Shirow. In case you didn't know Shirow is the creator of Ghost in the Shell and Appleseed. I've enjoyed Shirow's take on the cyberpunk genre, mostly Ghost in The Shell. Appleseed is okay, I haven't watched the new movies though. But yeah Real Drive is pretty disappointing.
First off I know Shirow is know for sexing up his women in his works. So I knew there was going to be ample fanservice. Problem is it's so in your face obvious and ridiculous how it's used. For example, first episode there is a emergency happening. A phenomenon is causing a black out on the island. Secretary General contacts the guy in charge. The Secretary General comes out on the view screen and she is laying on her side looking all seductive. I was like what the fuck it's a state of emergency and she wants to have pillow talk with the chief. The next time the chief speaks with the Secretary General the woman had just had sex and is butt naked on her bed. What the fuck.
The setup of the series is pretty neat though. A virtual reality network that when you log in or dive as they call it. Is represented as the sea. Something I had only seen before when Ed in Cowboy Bebop used the internet. Real Drive has a more literal representation though. The location of the series also takes place on an artificial island. The two main characters is an old man who has only recently awoken from a 50 year coma. A teenage girl who is the old man's 'diving buddy' yeah I know. Turn off your pedo alarms, their relationship is pretty benign so far. I'm sure 4chan an the like have had their fun with this series though.
But yeah this series had the potential to be really good to. -
All I know about this show is that it's done by Production IG and the women in this show are THICK!
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This is what I hate with shirow, am I suppose to think your drawings are awesome, or should I follow my urges? I just hate things that are oversexualized they don't even border on fetishistic, they're just fucking porno drawings.
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[quote="Teabagapotamus"]All I know about this show is that it's done by Production IG and the women in this show are THICK!
Truth. The main girl has some of the thickest thighs I have ever seen in an anime. Shirow likes big butts and he can not lie. If this series gets licensed Dave and Joel really need to check it out. There is some choice episodes. 1. Wrestling robot that runs amok, and dislocates his opponents joints. 2. Sexual VR simulator that turns you into a woman so you can attain stronger and longer lasting orgasms.
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This is the type of shit I'm talking about, now if this is an awesome comment on humanity then sure it's cool. But if it's to turn people into women so they can have longer orgasms for the hell of it, than that's just...I got nothing.
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See, this is where I find myself at odds with just about everyone on this forum. When everyone else sees Shirow's weird sexual stuff, it's always this "I can't watch this" sort of reaction, whereas for me it's very much a "Ok. This is something that is happening in this story" reaction. It doesn't really sway me either way. It's just weird, and I like weird shit. It's the same way I feel about the sexual stuff in Ninja Scroll or Wicked City. That stuff isn't really supposed to be turning you on.
I saw the first episode of Real Drive and I really liked what was there. I'm really hoping we get more of an explanation for how that guy in the first scene gets his arm ripped off without flinching (maybe they did. I haven't watched the episode in maybe a month or so.) -
Yeah; Shirow really does find this stuff hot. Otherwise he wouldn't draw it. If you read his artbooks, he basically admits this flat out, that he prefers to draw naked women because that's what he likes to look at.
As I said in another thread, long ago, it's basically the same reason that guys choose female characters in MMOs. If you're going to stare at an arse for six hours at a time, it might as well be one you like to stare at. -
There's a difference between enjoying drawing naked women and the intentionally weird stuff. Maybe he legitimately likes that too; haven't read his art books. All I know is that the GiTS manga didn't turn me on, nor did it bother me in a way that would make me not want to read it. I got more of a feeling that he was taking the concept of naked women and then making it go all weird to be off putting.
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I got more of a feeling that he was taking the concept of naked women and then making it go all weird to be off putting.
Not a chance. Shirow loves to hyper-sexualize and techno-fetishize his female characters. It's not meant to be repellent. It's meant to be an evolution of sexuality in a post modern world.
I'm under the impression that while some us of may carp about Shirow and his anthroporphic man-horse pornography leanings, that none of us here are so Puritanical that a little sexual content would dissuade us from watching an anime or reading a manga. I think it just gets mentioned because it's something to talk about in regards to a specific show. No one is saying: "I don't want to watch Wicked City because that lady has fangs in her gooch." Am I wrong? -
Not a chance. Shirow loves to hyper-sexualize and techno-fetishize his female characters. It's not meant to be repellent. It's meant to be an evolution of sexuality in a post modern world.
I'm under the impression that while some us of may carp about Shirow and his anthroporphic man-horse pornography leanings, that none of us here are so Puritanical that a little sexual content would dissuade us from watching an anime or reading a manga. I think it just gets mentioned because it's something to talk about in regards to a specific show. No one is saying: "I don't want to watch Wicked City because that lady has fangs in her gooch." Am I wrong?
See that's a different almost exploitative thing. They show boobs and action cause it would be "exciting and awesome and mature". But Shirow does it in a way where he basically says to everyone "hey you fucks, fap to my shit for I am your king and I love over sexualized cyborg women with torpedo tittays and asses as round as the moon". Like I'm down for boobs for the sake of boobs, but I mean if it's fetishistic, don't put it in anime. I was cool with the GITS show, that was ok, cause that focused more on deeper stuff. But in his other works, it's almost like self gratification for him self. That or he's just fucking insane, cause it seems to me he just stopped drawing robots and is now exclusively drawing cyborg torpedo titted chicks. -
[quote="tissuekins"]
Not a chance. Shirow loves to hyper-sexualize and techno-fetishize his female characters. It's not meant to be repellent. It's meant to be an evolution of sexuality in a post modern world.
I'm under the impression that while some us of may carp about Shirow and his anthroporphic man-horse pornography leanings, that none of us here are so Puritanical that a little sexual content would dissuade us from watching an anime or reading a manga. I think it just gets mentioned because it's something to talk about in regards to a specific show. No one is saying: "I don't want to watch Wicked City because that lady has fangs in her gooch." Am I wrong?
See that's a different almost exploitative thing. They show boobs and action cause it would be "exciting and awesome and mature". But Shirow does it in a way where he basically says to everyone "hey you fucks, fap to my shit for I am your king and I love over sexualized cyborg women with torpedo tittays and asses as round as the moon". Like I'm down for boobs for the sake of boobs, but I mean if it's fetishistic, don't put it in anime. I was cool with the GITS show, that was ok, cause that focused more on deeper stuff. But in his other works, it's almost like self gratification for him self. That or he's just fucking insane, cause it seems to me he just stopped drawing robots and is now exclusively drawing cyborg torpedo titted chicks.
Hey wait what ? I thought you're the guy who's pro-sexbots ? -
See that's a different almost exploitative thing. They show boobs and action cause it would be "exciting and awesome and mature". But Shirow does it in a way where he basically says to everyone "hey you fucks, fap to my shit for I am your king and I love over sexualized cyborg women with torpedo tittays and asses as round as the moon". Like I'm down for boobs for the sake of boobs, but I mean if it's fetishistic, don't put it in anime. I was cool with the GITS show, that was ok, cause that focused more on deeper stuff. But in his other works, it's almost like self gratification for him self. That or he's just fucking insane, cause it seems to me he just stopped drawing robots and is now exclusively drawing cyborg torpedo titted chicks.
Sounds like six of one, half a dozen of the other. It's exploitative either way. Shirow just comes off as different because his fetishes make him a freak. -
Sounds like six of one, half a dozen of the other. It's exploitative either way. Shirow just comes off as different because his fetishes make him a freak.
Damn fucking right man! -
That or he's just fucking insane, cause it seems to me he just stopped drawing robots and is now exclusively drawing cyborg torpedo titted chicks.
You know, I'm no fan of what Shirow does in his spare time and all, but damn does it ever sound like I'd approve of that. I've confused myself now. Just saying that out loud sounds awesome! -
You know, I'm no fan of what Shirow does in his spare time and all, but damn does it ever sound like I'd approve of that. I've confused myself now. Just saying that out loud sounds awesome!
Oh man, then me and shirow need to get toghether and make a new show to cater to people with torpedo fetishes(it's japan, someone out there masturbates to nuclear weaponry). -
That would be Hideo Kojima.
Although, really, all anime directors do this to some extent. Anime sci-fi always has a giant super-bomb, or a massively powerful weapon that destroys everything, or just an out-and-out nuke. -
[quote="Ebb"]http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/571/bigbootyjapaneseschoolgwo1.jpg
A now for your moment of Shirow Zen.
I'm not aroused, just confused. -
[quote="Ebb"]It's her cell phone. She on a case to find the dog's master. Kind of a reversal there. Just blows your mind doesn't? She has a big butt. By the way.
Oh my god?! Really!? holy crap, big butts in a shirow show!? oh my god my mind is like, FUCKIN' BLOWN MAN! -
There is some profound rump to be found in this thread.
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Of course, the interesting thing is that in Shirow's manga the girls have really narrow waists and small asses.
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You're saying that Shirow is the source of the moe infection?
Or is it something even worse? Shirow's work presaging the next wave of Japanese perversity--effeminate preteen boys? -
[quote="RobotBastard"]You're saying that Shirow is the source of the moe infection?
Or is it something even worse? Shirow's work presaging the next wave of Japanese perversity--effeminate preteen boys?
Thanks, I hate japan even more now! -
You're saying that Shirow is the source of the moe infection?
Fear not, RB, the narrow waists and flat asses are counterbalanced by their enormous, football-shaped breasts. -
I'm enjoying this; it's got a clean-future, technology will save us, kinda vibe, the characters and setting are pretty interesting, and yes - big butts.
Seriously though, the race to proclaim oneself "above" sexual or sexualised content in anime going on here almost reminds me of the way jock kids at school might push you round whilst trying to embaress you with talk of "jerking off to cartoons" - I mean, RDs thick women are a million miles away from anthropomorphic horse porn, and either way, we're all adults, right? -
[quote="sad_genius"] reminds me of the way jock kids at school might push you round whilst trying to embaress you with talk of "jerking off to cartoons"
What fucking ass backwards piece of shit school did you go to ? -
[quote="sad_genius"]Seriously though, the race to proclaim oneself "above" sexual or sexualised content in anime going on here almost reminds me of the way jock kids at school might push you round whilst trying to embaress you with talk of "jerking off to cartoons" - I mean, RDs thick women are a million miles away from anthropomorphic horse porn, and either way, we're all adults, right?
Hey now. I'm totally good for some adult content when it's not creepy and weird.
Oh wait. Did I forget we're talking about ANIME? OLOLOLOLOL!
I like the sexual content in Black Lagoon.
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What fucking ass backwards piece of shit school did you go to ?
One in England. -
[quote="Dave"]
Hey now. I'm totally good for some adult content when it's not creepy and weird.
Oh wait. Did I forget we're talking about ANIME? OLOLOLOLOL!
I like the sexual content in Black Lagoon.
I wasn't necessarily talking about you, but you make a good point - I guess the distinguishing factor is what one deems to be creepy and weird: I have a higher tolerance than most for plain old "look, this chick has huge tits" and "look, this chick is 11" in my anime, but I can't deal with the constant rapey that goes on in stuff like Wicked City at all; most (non-insane, non-prison worthy) people don't watch that stuff for the rape, they just have an ability to see past it and enjoy the bits they do watch it for (Eighties haircuts for example) - I think it's a little premature to jump up and down shouting "I don't like Wicked City because I'm not a rapist!" at Daryl Surrat (or Dave and Joel) before you've listened to what they have to say about the show - it speaks of a need to be defensive for starters. -
[quote="sad_genius"]...jump up and down shouting "I don't like Wicked City because I'm not a rapist!" at Daryl Surrat ...
I'd pay ten bucks to see you do this. -
There's something off putting when a show is so blatent about what it's doing. The Major is a cutey who seems to have something against wearing pants, which is a great quality in someone, but when she has to get into a tank a special way and someone has fixed a fish eye lens to her ass, then I feel a little weird about it. I'd feel the same way about it in a live action show. I know Lost has had me introduce face to palm a couple times on these kinds of things.
There's also trying to use sex for humor, which it seems the Japanese are terrible at. The only instances that come to mind that were any good at it was some short they use to have OnDemand called Colorful that I can remember finding kind of funny, but that was a couple years ago, so I may have had no taste and it was crap. I also saw the spa episode of Lagann yesterday, that gave me some laughs.
I'm not against an anime character with breasts, I'm against the guy who watches an anime only for the breasts. -
To be fair, hardly anyone is good at sex comedy. It's not just Japan who fails at it, even though Japan fails at it in their own unique/pedophilic way.
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I can't deal with the constant rapey that goes on in stuff like Wicked City at all; most (non-insane, non-prison worthy) people don't watch that stuff for the rape, they just have an ability to see past it and enjoy the bits they do watch it for (Eighties haircuts for example) etc.
I'm tired of this bullshit, squeamish, cop-out, Puritanical, "waaaaah they put sex in my cartoons" attitude. You don't have to "look past" the sex in a Kawajiri film. You don't have to apologize for it, any more than you have to apologize for how the women are depicted in a Frank Miller film. If anything, that kind of content reflects on the creator, not on the viewer. Wicked City is loaded with a ferocious, aberrant sexuality for a very specific reason. If you can't deal with that, don't watch it. -
I'm tired of this bullshit, squeamish, cop-out, Puritanical, "waaaaah they put sex in my cartoons" attitude. You don't have to "look past" the sex in a Kawajiri film.
I know you're disagreeing with me, but that's essentially what I was trying to say about the fanservice in mainstream anime - I think being squeemish about this shit is just pointless given how commonplace it is.
What I think you're kicking at in my post (by all means correct me if I'm wrong) is that I essentially legitimised the attitude I'm criticising by saying I have the same reaction to the "sex" in a Kawajiri anime; what I was trying to get at here is that if I said "I watched Sekirei recently - I enjoyed it, partly for the tits" or "man, I love me some Strike Witches, the mecha designs are pretty awesome, and those little girls are hot" I'd get flamed so much I'd look like the Human Torch, but I don't need to apologise for saying "Wicked City is boss - I love all the wacky demon superpowers and the fact Maki gets raped over and over"?
Or to put it another way:
Things you don't have to apologise for:
Sexual content in a film/anime/whatever
Liking the above, or feeling that its inclusion is justified, or just not caring that its there
Things that are very bad:
Real life rape and child abuse.
Or to put it another way:
Saying you like Wicked City and not apologising for its misogyny =/= "watching it for the rape" in the same way that watching RD Senou Chosashitsu and liking the big butts =/= being some kind of shut-in pervert.
Oh god, tired now. -
I'm fucking confused now ; Should I be fucking glad that I get so much creepy sexual shit shoved down my mouth by Japan ?
If so : No thanks doctor , cancel my prescription. -
Saying you like Wicked City and not apologising for its misogyny =/= "watching it for the rape" in the same way that watching RD Senou Chosashitsu and liking the big butts =/= being some kind of shut-in pervert.
Yeah, we're on the same page there.I'm fucking confused now ; Should I be fucking glad that I get so much creepy sexual shit shoved down my mouth by Japan ?
No, not at all. You're free to form your own opinion about the sexual content or implied sexual content of Japanese cartoons. I'm just saying that I'm sick of people squirming and turning away when that kind of content manifests itself. Deal with it or don't watch it, but don't try to deny it or downplay it. -
I'm fucking confused now ; Should I be fucking glad that I get so much creepy sexual shit shoved down my mouth by Japan ?
I'm just saying that I'm sick of people squirming and turning away when that kind of content manifests itself. Deal with it or don't watch it, but don't try to deny it or downplay it.
What he said. -
Look, i know I've probably beatened a dead horse here, but nothing wrong with boobs, but when boobs come first and not quality or as kicking, it's like I'm watching bad soft core porn really. I also hate anime that are made to cater to specific fetishes. That's my problem. Nothing wrong with a show that has boobs explosions and violence. Fuck, go nagai did that. But he wasn't catering to highly mal-adjusted social retards. He was catering to devious 13 yr old little shits. But you grow up. But when it's fetsihistic, it gets kinda creepy and annoying. That's my beef with it.
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[quote="tissuekins"]...he wasn't catering to highly mal-adjusted social retards. He was catering to devious 13 yr old little shits. But devious 13-year-old little shits are highly mal-adjusted social retards.
II think I understand where you're coming from. It's just that the mere existence of something so sleazy makes you feel lessened, disgusted that you're part of a race that will produce and consume entertainment like that. It's like the sex shows that used to be in Times Square; you didn't work there and you didn't go there, and you didn't know anyone who did, but we all agree that we're better off with that stuff gone.
But it's also wrong to invent false reasons to justify dislike. That's part of the problem with modern discourse, and I think that the anonymity of the Internet is mostly to blame. We're so used to people just being "xXxW3RW0LFxXx" on the computer screen that we demand accountability, citations, backup for everything that anyone says. You can't just not like something anymore; you have to write a master's thesis full of carefully-ratocinated logical deductions that PROVE it to be objectively dislikable. These days, if you say that you don't like "x", the next question is almost invariably "why?" -
It's like the sex shows that used to be in Times Square; you didn't work there and you didn't go there, and you didn't know anyone who did, but we all agree that we're better off with that stuff gone.
I don't agree that we're better off with that stuff gone. Granted, I've never been there. I don't know what it was like at the height of the Time Square sex shop boom, or what conditions it may have created. But the idea that expressions of sexuality - even kinky, fetishistic sexuality (within certain limits) - are something intrinsically harmful to the human psyche and to society as a whole is something that I greatly protest.These days, if you say that you don't like "x", the next question is almost invariably "why?"
Why is that a bad thing? I think it's good if you can put into words exactly what it is about a show that turns you off. But I also think that something like "ewwwww, they sexualize the Major's enormous cyborg bootie" is not a valid form of criticism. It's just an opinion, and therefor less useful. There needs to be a distinction between "it's a bad show" and "I didn't like it." -
[quote="Gokiburi_Chachacha"]But the idea that expressions of sexuality - even kinky, fetishistic sexuality (within certain limits) - are something intrinsically harmful to the human psyche and to society as a whole is something that I greatly protest.But I don't think that's so much what's happening here. Instead, it's some guy saying "I am uncomfortable with overt expressions of kinky, fetishistic sexuality" and people are jumping all over him and calling him a stuck-up prude.
But that's exactly the point I was making--that people aren't just allowed to say "I didn't like it" anymore. Instead people on the internet have to poke and prod and pry and, basically, tell them that they're wrong and bad and stupid for disliking it, because they should like it since it's impossible for people to disagree unless they're stupid. So they come up with half-assed "reasons" because they're told that they have to objectively justify their dislike--come up with a "valid criticism"--in a desperate attempt to get people to stop telling them that their personality is broken.These days, if you say that you don't like "x", the next question is almost invariably "why?"
Why is that a bad thing? I think it's good if you can put into words exactly what it is about a show that turns you off. But I also think that something like "ewwwww, they sexualize the Major's enormous cyborg bootie" is not a valid form of criticism. -
This is kind of weird hearing a guy on a podcast that does what is essentially film criticism complaining that he has to back up his opinion with logic, Mike.
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All I'm saying is that if you're going to make the leap from "I don't like it" to "It is a bad show", you ought to be prepared to back up your proposition.
I don't like The Godfather, but I wouldn't call it a bad movie. I don't like the pacing or the subject matter that romanticizes organized crime. That doesn't mean that it's a poorly made film.
I think it helps to clarify why you don't like something, because the same thing that repels you may attract somebody else. Dave and Joel couldn't stand the Tonka truck robot designs in GaoGaiGar or the tool-shaped weapons, but those are two of my favorite things about the show. -
[quote="karaokeninja"]This is kind of weird hearing a guy on a podcast that does what is essentially film criticism complaining that he has to back up his opinion with logic, Mike.Yeah because our podcast about "Hard Boiled" was really an erudite introspective regarding the deeper artistic themes being expressed by dangerous babies and sewn-up vaginas.
