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Books, I read them ...
  • I can remember reading The Thing at the Doorstep, but I can't remember a damn thing from it. Considering I just put all his stories on my kindle, I guess I know which one to jump to next.
  • kaazuwulf said:

    Was it the compete collection?


    The title is "The Call of Cthulhu and Other Dark Tales". Printed in 2009.
  • I just finished NurtureShock a couple days ago, and it is - by far - one of the most interesting parenting books I've read. The authors take a hard look at a few modern trends in parenting. It's sort of like the Freakonomics of the parenting book world.

    Also, I just had a 4 day weekend, so I started on The Hunger Games and had difficulty putting it down. In fact I just went ahead and finished it. It's set in the far future of North America, well after the fall of the US. There are several districts ruled by a city called The Capitol, which is nestled away in the rockies. Several decades before the events of the book, the districts had rebelled against The Capitol's rule but were defeated. As a punishment and a method of control, ever since the rebellion each district is required send a boy and a girl between the ages of 12 and 18 to The Capitol to engage in the annual Hunger Games, in which the children fight to the death and the winner's district is blessed with a bounty of food for the year, while all the other districts get screwed. So far, it's my favorite read of the year. When my wife gets some more free time, I plan on re-reading it with her, and then reading the sequels together.
  • Candide is proving brilliant so far. I'm sad that I put off reading this for so long.
  • Candide is cool, but have you read Voltaire's Micromégas? It's super early sci-fi!
  • I've had no prior experience with Voltaire, no. Candide was my first foray. I'll take your suggestion and run with it later this week. I'm excited to have time to read things again!
  • Snow Crash, there's something humorous in the notion that in 1992 Neal Stephenson foresaw that the internet devolves into giant talking penises.
  • Told you you'd appreciate that book.
  • After a very, very long interim, I picked up another Lincoln and Child thriller called "Dance Of Death." They write the kind of thriller books with a recurring main character that go on and on and always sell a lot, but they're actually quite entertaining; not high literature by any stretch, but well written and fun. I still need to finish "Loop", the sequel to "Ring" (as in the book the j-horror movie was based on). God bless Vertical; it's not enough that they've evidently decided to single-handedly ensure that everything Osamu Tezuka ever wrote gets released stateside, they also gotta release some great horror/other genre novels.
  • I'm re-reading The Hobbit at the moment. Even today, it still consumes me in the same way it did when I first read the book when I was 10. Tolkien's writing has always been able to enchant me, and the troll argument once again made me laugh out loud. Few books read so well after three or four times through.
  • Milkshake said:

    I'm re-reading The Hobbit at the moment. Even today, it still consumes me in the same way it did when I first read the book when I was 10. Tolkien's writing has always been able to enchant me, and the troll argument once again made me laugh out loud. Few books read so well after three or four times through.



    Amen

  • I'm reading Eduardo Galeano's Voices of Time because his writing is gorgeous.
  • also i love books
  • dont make the hobbit movie oh shit......
  • You are drunk.
  • Reading Sirens of Titan by Kurt V For Vendetta
  • Revisiting Vollman's Rising Up and Rising Down because I'm crazy.

    I remember the woman who wanted me to bite her nipples until they bled. I did. -- "Oh," she shouted, convulsed in a long, happy orgasm. "It hurts so good!" -- Was I happy, too? Happy and sad -- happy for her, sad for her, a little anxious not to bite too hard and take the nipple off, excited by the blood because she wanted it to be exciting. For me it was mainly a game, like a new position, a way of pleasing and knowing the other; I am happy when I make others so. Am I a sadist, a masochist, both, or neither? How can any of this be wrong?

    CONSENSUAL SADISTIC AND EXPEDIENT VIOLENCE IS JUSTIFIED:

    1. Always.

    CONSENSUAL SADISTIC AND EXPEDIENT VIOLENCE IS UNJUSTIFIED:

    2. Never.
  • I dunno. I guess the question is, are you doing it for yourself or for the other person? If it's for the other person, well, good on you.

    But then you get into the nasty question of enabling, but I don't think anyone's ever really worked out the morality of that vis a vis BDSM, because if you hurt someone who wants to be hurt then is it really wrong?
  • Yes.

    I walked away from a very good relationship because of a request there was no way I was going to be part of. As I've been looking back a lot recently, I regret walking away but I don't regret my stand. There is a line I won't cross. That above, has someone dipping their toe over a line and being unsure and uncomrfortable for it. So, one person's pleasure at the expense of anothers?

    Also, how in control are most people when they're riled up? How many bad decisions are made during a moment of anger or lust?
  • I'd say it isn't wrong. Here's the breakdown:

    If you aren't comfortable doing it at all, then you're under duress. Duress destroys consent. Thus, it becomes nonconsensual sadistic and expedient violence, which is a whole different category of analysis. I think that you walking away out of a sense of personal discomfort is just as morally justifiable as another man happily indulging that woman's request. In this case, I don't see Vollmann reaching a level of duress. I am happy when I make others so.

    As for the "diminished control" point, that falls under the "assuming the risk" heading, as consciously and voluntarily entering into a situation that contains any amount of risk, great or small, is the right of every person. So, happily or unhappily, is the duty to bear the consequences.
  • I would just like to point out there are other letters in BDSM than S. I'm not into this stuff personally but I have friends who work for a website specializing in such topics and hey, some people just like being tied up. That's a little different.
  • Sony_CEO said:

    Reading Sirens of Titan by Kurt V For Vendetta


    I love that book, although of the Vonnegut canon Breakfast of Champions is my favorite.
  • So it goes. So it goes.
  • Squirrel said:

    I walked away from a very good relationship because of a request there was no way I was going to be part of.

    Does that make it wrong? Or does that just make it something you aren't into? I don't want to smoke pot but I'm not going to sit here and claim that it's because smoking pot is Objectively Wrong.
  • Drug use is a bad analogy as it's entirely self inflicted but I get what you mean. Personally, hurting anyone, whether they ask for it or not, is wrong. Would the above be considered the same way if she hadn't asked him to? What's truly the difference? Consent? How well do consent arguments hold in rape cases? I ask because I truly don't know.

    I mean yes, I do understand consent but if he had hurt her more than she wanted? I also understand the risk thing and that makes sense but adrenaline does a lot more than pain tolerance and muscle strength. What, legally, constitutes "temporary insanity"?

    I'm also willing to admit my romanticized views on sex and the vulnerability of people at that moment are coloring my view a lot.
  • The same argument could be presented for assisted suicide.
    What are the moral implications?
  • I'm for violent sex and assisted suicide as long as consent/informed consent is the standard. Indeed, I think if healthy people want to die, they should be entitled to assisted suicide privileges, too. We value life qua life way, way too much.
  • Squirrel:

    "Would the above be considered the same way if she hadn't asked him to?"

    That's a different scenario. You could imply consent in certain circumstances, I guess, but generally, I think "biting nipples until they bleed for the purpose of inflicting moderate to serious physical pain" falls outside the normal field of risk one envisions when contemplating intercourse, so just saying "eh, you assumed the risk" would be pushing it a bit. I think when the behavior falls outside reasonable and customary practice for a given activity, then you owe someone a duty before engaging in that behavior. I may regret writing that sentence later.

    As a lawyer, I should know the answers to your legal questions. Unfortunately, despite my license, I stay the hell away from practice as much as I can. So, my knowledge of those areas of criminal law consists of dated fragments of law school memories. During that time, I felt it was entirely appropriate to carry around Propel bottles full of vodka. I hesitate to proffer what remains of that experience as substantive answers to your queries, and I apologize sincerely that I can muster nothing better than excuses.

    I will say this: consent matters tremendously in a moral context regardless of proof. It matters not at all in a legal context absent proof. Thus, whether a consent argument holds up in court in a given scenario (despite my contracts prof's advice, I do not keep consent forms next to my condoms) doesn't control the judgements that we can make as omniscient moral actors in a hypothetical.
  • After some thinking I got caught up on Boxing... The assisted suicide thing didn't help either. Part of the issue here, on my end, is the violence towards a woman. I do not have any delusions that I don't have an, arguably sexist, overprotective nature towards women. It's how I was raised by most of the men in my life. Having a younger sister as my only sibling probably didn't help either.

    Is it wrong, or is it something I'm not into, are basically the same question as far as I can tell. You're asking me what my morals are. I can't judge another person for theirs. No, I'm not into consensual sexual violence, yes it's wrong in my eyes. Doesn't mean I believe people shouldn't be allowed to participate, if that's what they want. It's the same as stealing. A crime, yet Robin Hood...

    I mean I'm not saying anyone who does BDSM acts is a bad person just that what they do behind closed doors isn't something I morally agree with.
  • I'm going to have to get Jon to represent me in court after I'm arrested for biting a whore's tits off.
  • Again, you are conflating all of BDSM with incredibly violent actions. What about non-violent but still dominating or bondage situations? What about women who are violent towards men who want it? Like dominatices who whip guys or whatever? What about mild violence like women who like a bit of spanking? Or men who like a bit of spanking? Which if the violence is equal on both sides?
  • When it's just play, it's cool. When it's someone indulging a damaged psyche, it's not cool.

    Maybe I'm a bit naive, but I think distinguishing the two should be obvious. If it isn't obvious, talk it out.
  • You're right Knin. I used the umbrella term but there is a distinct difference between the BD and the SM. Since I've already showed some of my cards earlier I will add that rope play is not something foreign to me.
  • I dunno. I just can't see how "A asked for it and B was willing to do it" is something that implies moral wrong.

    Now, you can argue that maybe someone was being manipulated, being coerced, was unsure of what exactly was being asked and was too embarrassed to back out. But in the quoted excerpt it seemed like everyone was a willing participant who was enjoying themselves, so...
  • I read another Heinlein novel, Glory Road. DO NOT ATTEMPT. STUNT WAS PERFORMED BY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL ON CLOSED COURSE.
  • Just finished Free-Range Kids, How to Raise Safe, Self-Reliant Children (Without Going Nuts with Worry). It's technically a parenting book, but mostly it tells you not to buy into the hype of parenting books. Specifically, don't buy into the fear that a lot of parenting books use to sell themselves. The biggest things Lenore Skenazy has to say about parenting is: be involved with your kids, but A) don't be a helicopter parent and B) don't let your fear ruin your kids.

    She cites quite a few studies that help drive home the point that kids who are overprotected are quite often less safe than those who are given chances to make their own mistakes, learn from them, and grow in self-confidence. I can dig it.
  • I still haven't read that book, but I've heard interviews with the author and so far I'm on board with her child raising philosophy.
  • Part of the problem is that it assumes that all "safety over freedom" is the result of cowardice. Sometimes it's the result of "somebody got sued over this".

    You know why so many "bumper cars" rides now have an island in the center and you're only allowed to go one way? It's because of lawsuits over head-on collisions. (People panic and grab onto the wheel with all their strength, and when there's a head-on collision they get thrown forward and sprain their wrists.)
  • Yes, she addresses that in the book.
  • Sprain their wrists? Wow. What a bunch of fucking pussies.
  • If there's money in it, there is no pussydom too far gone for people to claim it.
  • I just read Cory Doctorow's Little Brother, and it was awesome. I was going to write a sentence like "If you like [insert topic here], then you'll like this book" but you'll probably like this book no matter what.
  • Jason said:

    I read another Heinlein novel, Glory Road. DO NOT ATTEMPT. STUNT WAS PERFORMED BY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL ON CLOSED COURSE.



    I read that one years ago. I kind of liked it compared to other stuff of his I read.

  • DON'T WANNA READ THROUGH THIS ENTIRE THREAD TO SEE IF ANYONE MENTIONED IT BUT, UH

    The Book Thief is my favorite book. Of all time. Nothing can possibly beat it. (Part of my love to this book goes to the fact that I actually stole this book from a teacher MAKING IT AN ENDLESS LOOP of crazy)
  • Started reading Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco, and I love it so far. It's that rarest of books that manages to actually educate you on a variety of subjects while also being compulsively readable (though it's a bit slow in the beginning, it picks up quick). Eco reminds me a lot of Neal Stephenson, actually, who I also enjoy.
  • I've been reading John Nichol's The "S" Word". It's awesome.
  • Finished The Name of the Wind. It was good, not great.

    Spoiler:
    No one gets laid
  • I just finished Flowers for Algernon, and even though I knew the ending, it was still sad. Still good though.
  • I'm finishing a Mark Twain Kick in that I read Roughing It and Tom Sawyer. Even though I had just recently read Twain's other big travel book Innocence Abroad I was still very surprised by how humorous Mark still is today.

    Tom Sawyer was more of a disappointment. I knew going into it that it is a young adults book but since Huckleberry Finn is still one of my favorites I guess I was expecting too much. Still it is only two hundred pages so I really can't complain.

    Besides that I actually just started reading Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen. everyone in my English class was asking my opinions about it and I was ashamed I hadn't actually read it. I began reading yesterday and I'm about fifteen chapters in. I am very surprised by how witty the writing is and how well the characters are portrayed.

    Also Mr. Darcy is one smooth Mutha.
  • Ugh, Austen. I have been diligently putting off reading her work since I was an undergrad English major. I'm going to have to do it eventually. Is it really that readable?